Guthrie: — guaranteed and that will come due in the next four years. The question is on behalf of voters: who do you owe $ 421 百万から?
トランプ: OK. まず第一に, let me answer. What they did is illegal, 一番. Also the numbers are all wrong with the numbers they released. And just so you understand when you have a lot of real estate. I have real estate. You know a lot of it, OK, right down the road, ドラル, big stuff, great stuff. I’m very under — when I decided to run I’m very under levered fortunately but I’m very under levered. I have a very, very small percentage of debt compared — in fact some of it I did as favors to institutions that wanted to loan me money. $ 400 million compared to the assets that I have all of these great properties all over the world and frankly the Bank of America building in San Francisco. I don’t love what’s happening to San Francisco.
Guthrie: Well do I hear you right, it sounds like you’re saying–
トランプ: 1290 Avenue (聞こえない) one of the biggest–
Guthrie: $ 400 million isn’t that much.
トランプ: — office buildings.
Guthrie: But are you confirming that, はい, you do owe sum $ 400 百万?
トランプ: What I’m saying is that it’s a tiny percentage of my net worth.
Guthrie: That sounds like yes.
トランプ: And you will see that soon because we’re doing things. We’ve given — I think it’s 108 または 112 pages of financial detail to elections and we have to file as the president. As any politician you have to file. Nobody ever looks at that. When they do they see how incredible a company is but more importantly they see where this debt is. 番号, I don’t owe Russia money, I don’t owe — I owe a very, very small — it’s called mortgages. People have a house, they put a mortgage —
Guthrie: はい. Any foreign bank, any foreign entity?
トランプ: Not that I know of but I will probably because it’s so easy to solve and if you’d like to do — I will let you know who — who I owe whatever small amount of money. I want to say two things. 一番, it’s a very small amount of money. ナンバー2, it’s very straight — それはとても, very straight but it’s a tiny percentage of the work. Did you ever hear the expression, under levered?
トランプ: I am extremely under levered.
Guthrie: 上手, here’s the thing, you could clear this up tonight by just releasing your tax returns yourself. I mean that’s what I don’t understand.
トランプ: 上手, 教えてあげる —
Guthrie: I think people are just wondering, you’re the only —
トランプ: あなたが知っているように, I’m under audit. It turned out that I am under audit.
Guthrie: はい, but the IRS said — you are —
トランプ: They actually — すみません. 番号, 番号, でもあなた —
Guthrie: But the IRS says that doesn’t stop you from releasing.
トランプ: But you accused me of not being under audit previously and so did other people at NBC and I am under audit.
Guthrie: You are.
トランプ: So that was solved. That’s what — I am under audit. No person in their right mind would release prior to working out the deal with the IRS. And I’ll go a step further. I’m treated very badly by the IRS. They treat me very, very badly. You have people in there from previous administrations that treat me very badly. But we’re under audit. It’s very routine in many ways but we’re under audit. They like to change the game, change the rules, do everything. You saw what they did with the Tea Party people. You saw what they did with the religious groups.
Guthrie: But to be clear, there is no law or rule that prohibits you from releasing your tax returns.
トランプ: 番号, except common sense and intelligence and having lawyers that say — because I would love to release them, and as soon as we come to a conclusion I will release them and very gladly. But if you go to elections and if you take a look you’ll see 112 — I think its 112, it talks about the income, which is rather massive. It talks about all of the properties, they have them listed. You can never learn more. But you know what happened; people went there, all the reporters went there. It was like a feeding frenzy. This was originally when I filed it. And I file it every year. I update it every year. My son is here, they run the company. I don’t run the company. ええと — ええと —
Guthrie: It also says that you paid $ 750 in taxes in the year you were elected. Is that true or not?
トランプ: はい, because that’s a statutory number. It’s a statutory — it’s not that —
Guthrie: But is that true?
トランプ: I think it’s a filing number. You pay $ 750, it’s a filing — or a filing fee.
Guthrie: But is that all you paid because most people here probably paid more?
トランプ: 番号, 知りません. I can’t tell you this, if they have my tax returns, あなたが知っているように, they have to go to jail. It’s illegal. But their numbers were wrong. But let me tell you what else. I don’t owe money to any of these sinister people. This has been going on for years now. ロシア, ロシア, ロシア. It turned out to be a hoax and it turned out to be that Hillary Clinton and the Democrats were dealing with Russia, not me. It’s a whole hoax. So I would not mind at all saying who it is but it’s very small. When you look at vast properties like I have and they’re big and they’re beautiful and they’re well located, when you look at that the amount of money, $ 400 million is a peanut. It’s extremely under levered. And it’s levered with normal banks, not a big deal.
Guthrie: 大丈夫. Let’s take a break. We’ll get more voter questions right after this.
Whoa boy. Amid all of the spin and misdirection that Trump attempted in that series of car-crash answers, Guthrie was able to extract a number of admissions from Trump.
Let’s go through them — in the order he said them.
1) トランプ NS have more than $ 400 million in loans coming due.
はい, he insists that
$ 400 million is nothing compared the immense value of his various properties around the world
. But when asked directly by Guthrie whether he owes
$ 400 百万, Trump responds
: “What I’m saying is that it’s a tiny percentage of my net worth.
” To which Guthrie interjects
“that sounds like yes
どれの, 上手, 丁度. As for Trump’s ability to pay off the loans
, it’s worth noting here that he appears to have paid off a total of zero on the principal on a $ 100 million loan he took out on Trump Tower in 2012.
2) Trump won’t say whether he has loans with foreign banks or foreign governments. While this isn’t definitive proof that Trump NS owe money to a foreign government or a foreign bank (または両方) you would think that if he しませんでした owe money to one of these places, he would say it. 正しい? What you probably wouldn’t think he would say is this: “Not that I know of but I will probably because it’s so easy to solve and if you’d like to do — I will let you know who — who I owe whatever small amount of money.”
3) Trump is under audit (まだ). Trump has used the under-audit excuse since at least early 2016 to explain why he is not releasing any of his taxes. (As Guthrie rightly notes, there is nothing in the law that says a president under audit can’t release his taxes anyway; Richard Nixon did just that.) Trump confirmed to Guthrie that he remains under audit as of Thursday night. どれの, 上手, I guess that’s possible?
4) Trump seemingly only paid $ 750 in taxes in 2016. All but confirming the Times report regarding the meager amount he paid in taxes the year he was elected president, Trump told Guthrie that “you pay $ 750, it’s a filing — or a filing fee.” She followed up by asking whether that was all he paid that year in taxes. “番号, 知りません,” the President responded. Which very likely means yes, because again, if he paid more than $ 750 in taxes in 2016, don’t you think he would have taken the opportunity to say that? Of course he would!
Like I said, there was a lot more in Trump’s answers than he probably meant there to be. Which is a credit to Guthrie’s questions. And to The New York Times’ 報告 — the vast majority of which Trump himself confirmed was right on Thursday night.