'Fox News Sunday' on December 5, 2021

クリス・ウォーレス, FOXニュースアンカー: I’m Chris Wallace.

President Biden and Russia’s Vladimir Putin will hold a superpower phone

call Tuesday as tensions grow over Ukraine.

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ジョー・バイデン, アメリカ合衆国大統領: I don’t accept anybody’s red

ライン.

WALLACE (voice-over): The White House expressing concern. Putin’s massive

buildup of troops along the border with Ukraine could signal plans for an

invasion.

We’ll discuss the standoff with Senate Armed Services Committee member Joni

Ernst, and former Pentagon official Michelle Flournoy. And we’ll get

analysis from our Sunday panel here at the Reagan National Defense Forum.

その後、 —

Just how much of a threat is China?

We’ll talk about how to keep law and order in space with the vice chief of

the Space Force, General David Thompson, only onFOX News Sunday”.

そして —

バイデン: Experts say that COVID-19 cases will continue to rise in the weeks

ahead in this winter. そう, we need to be ready.

WALLACE: The president urges Americans to get behind his plan to tackle

new COVID variant, オミクロン, while still fighting a surge in Delta. We’ll

ask U.S. surgeon general, Vivek Murthy, what it means for boosters, マスク,

and mandates.

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すべて, たった今, オン “FOX News Sunday”.

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WALLACE (カメラで): You are looking live at the Air Force One Pavilion at

the Ronald Reagan Presidential Library in Simi Valley, カリフォルニア.

And welcome to a special hour ofFOX News Sundayfrom the Reagan National

Defense Forum.

毎年, key national security figures meet here to discuss threats the

我ら. faces around the world. しかし、今週末, the focus is on one

チャレンジ — Vladimir Putin’s massive buildup of Russian troops along the

border with Ukraine. 我ら. Intelligence warns about invasion next year.

火曜日に, President Biden will hold a video call with Putin trying to

head off an international crisis.

Here at the forum, Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin addressed the situation.

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LLOYD AUSTIN, SECRETARY OF DEFENSE: In terms of our concern, we’re very

concerned. It’s something we are going to remain focused on going forward.

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WALLACE: Throughout this hour, we’ll drill down into foreign policy

threats in Ukraine and around the world. And to start, let’s bring in David

Spunt at the White House on the latest on the standoff between the U.S. そして

ロシア.

DAVID SPUNT, FOX NEWS CORRESPONDENT: クリス, tensions between Moscow and

Kiev go back decades. But things today appear to be coming to a head. 今,

President Biden is getting personally involved.

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SPUNT (voice-over): President Biden looking to press concerns Russia could

invade Ukraine. Russia has more than 100,000 troops along the border.

バイデン: My expectation is we’re going to have a long discussion with Putin.

SPUNT: Just days ago, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky says that his

team discovered a Russian coup plot that would take him out.

VOLODYMYR ZELENSKY, UKRAINIAN PRESIDENT: What we have to know is that we

are in complete control of our borders and fully ready for escalation.

SPUNT: Some kind of escalation appears eminent. Defense Secretary Lloyd

Austin saying that the U.S. has helped shore up Ukraine.

オースティン: We have provided them with a number of different things over the

年, including lethal capability, a lot of nonlethal capability.

SPUNT: Russia is trying to block Ukraine from joining NATO. Biden and

Vladimir Putin met face-to-face in a June summit. Publicly, Putin has and

continues to praise Biden, saying recently Biden is a professional coup

WHO, 見積もり, doesn’t miss a thing.

They admit that flattery only goes so far, and President Biden will tell

Putin to back off and recognize Ukrainian sovereignty.

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SPUNT (カメラで): The president will also reportedly speak to his

Ukrainian counterpart, another way to lower the temperature and avoid a

superpower confrontation — クリス.

WALLACE: David Spunt, reporting from the White House, デビッド, ありがとうございました.

Earlier here at the Reagan Defense Forum, I sat down with Republican

Senator Joni Ernst, the first female combat veteran elected to the Senate

who is now a member of the Armed Services Committee. And also Michele

Flournoy, former secretary of defense under President Obama.

And we began with the growing crisis on Ukraine’s border.

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WALLACE: 上院議員, Michele, ようこそ “FOX News Sunday”.

MICHELE FLOURNOY, 元米国. UNDER SECRETARY OF DEFENSE FOR POLICY: Thank

君は, とても.

WALLACE: 上院議員, what do you think Vladimir Putin is up to here? Do you

really think that he intends to invade Ukraine? And what should President

Biden tell him on Tuesday? というのは, we’re not going to go to war with Russia

over Ukraine.

ITS. ジョニ・エルンスト (R-IA): It’s hard to know what Vladimir Putin is thinking

and what his true intentions are. But we do see a very aggressive action on

his part amassing his troops on the Ukrainian border. そう, we must prepare

for the worst, not knowing what those intentions are.

I do think that President Biden needs to be very clear and very strong in

his message to Vladimir Putin. He needs to say to Vladimir Putin, that we

are no longer going to allow you to continue with the Nord Stream 2

パイプライン, we need you to know and understand that we will defend Ukraine,

we will provide them assistance. He needs to make that very clear.

WALLACE: Here is Secretary of State Blinken this week talking about the

threat of Russia and Ukraine. 見てください.

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[object Window], 我ら. SECRETARY OF STATE: We’ve made it clear to the

Kremlin that we will respond resolutely, including with a range of high

impact economic measures that we’ve refrained from using in the past.

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WALLACE: Michele, that’s what we keep hearing from both the Biden

administration and from the European Union talk of economic sanctions, トーク

of political sanctions, pretty much, it’s obvious, although not explicit,

that military option is off the table. That’s never stopped Putin before?

FLOURNOY: 上手, I think what the administration is actively considering

with our allies is an escalating set of sanctions that go beyond what’s

been done before. I’m sure they are looking at sanctioning the banking

システム, sanctioning the energy sector, possibly cutting off Russia from the

SWIFT System, which enables all of their international financial

transactions.

そう, they’re looking at much more serious means. And my expectation would be

that on Tuesday, during the call, a President Biden will lay out to

President Putin, these are the kinds of things you’re going to face, 多く

greater level of pain than anything you faced over Crimea, or what have

君は.

Ukraine is a sovereign nation, the invasion of Ukraine would be — そして

particularly going beyond what Putin did before, would be, ええと, 非常に

serious breach of international security and would merit a huge response,

not just from the U.S., but from Europe and the international community.

WALLACE: Senator Ernst, I want to pick up on something you said earlier.

If there’s one thing that Vladimir Putin really wants now, it’s the

completion of the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline to Germany. これが

Senator Tom Cotton, one of your Republican colleagues had to say about that

今週, take a look.

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ITS. トム・コットン, (R) アーカンソー: 今, in a situation where all of Western

Europe is hooked on German gas, and Vladimir Putin is about to invade

Ukraine, and the best we can get is stern words.

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WALLACE: 上院議員, what do you think of the chances that Congress could

override the President and block the pipeline and that you could get

Democrats and Republicans joining together to override President Biden?

ERNST: 上手, I certainly can’t speak for the House, クリス. But I do

believe that there is coalescence around these types of actions in the

United States Senate. Democrats are concerned, Republicans are concerned.

And what we don’t want to do is allow President Putin to continue with the

パイプライン, especially as he is preparing perhaps, to invade Ukraine. そう, 我々

do have to push back on that. And I think that there is a large group of

United States senators that will push back on Vladimir Putin.

WALLACE: ええ, というのは, this is an ongoing fight in the Senate, Michele.

President Biden is trying to stop Congress from blocking the pipeline is a

time in this kind of situation, you talked about taking sanctions that

haven’t been taken so far. Is it time for President Biden to reverse

コース, and threatened to block the pipeline?

FLOURNOY: ええと, I think the combination of sanctions that are being

considered would be even more powerful than the mess, the signal of

blocking that pipeline. Remember what Putin is trying to do here, の一つ

his objectives is to divide the United States in Europe.

そう, we have gotif we’re going to maintain unity, transatlantic unity,

to implement very severe sanctions, we’ve got to work with our European

partners, and that includes Germany. など, I would urge the Senate to

think about that. But if you get satisfaction on blocking Nord Stream 2,

you mightI actually undermine the effectiveness of the sanctions that

the President is threatening would be, hopefully threatening to put in

place against Putin.

WALLACE: There are other foreign policy threats, Senator Ernst. China is

involved in a huge military buildup now both on the ground and also in

スペース, this new hypersonic missile. How should we deal with the growing

threat from China?

ERNST: There are so many ways that we should be dealing with, に

threatened China, whether it is in the cyberspace, cyber domain, whether it

is disruption to their Belt and Road Initiatives all around the globe, そして

certainly their build off of manmade islands in the South China Sea, 彼らの

incursions on Taiwan and Taiwanese airspace, all of this we can do in a

number of manners.

But of course, militarily, making sure that we’re maintaining freedom of

navigation is extremely important, making sure that we’re countering any

cyber threats to our systems, banking our utilities and so forth, pushing

back on that.

だけでなく, a very clear message from the President to President Xi would be

extremely helpful. I think we had a last opportunity when President Biden

requested to visit with President Xi. それでもまだ, President Xi is the one that

seems to take center stage and maintain his dominance.

We have to be very strong and clear on our message to China, that while we

want to engage you in trade and other activities, we can’t allow any

nefarious types of activities.

WALLACE: 最後に, イラン, Senator Ernst, you have made a clear, so I’m not

going to ask you about it, that you think it’s a big mistake for the U.S.

to get back into the Iran nuclear deal.

Michele, ええと, we’re talking about a situation that has changed so

dramatically since President Trump pulled out of the deal. Iran is now up

に 60 percent enrichment of uranium. It has an array of advanced

centrifuges.

Is it too late to go back to the deal? Has the genie already gone out and

left the bottle? And it’s impossible to put it back inside?

FLOURNOY: ええ. 上手, I think what the mess we’re seeing today is a result

アメリカの. withdrawal from the deal, which started Iran back on

WALLACE: But we are where we are.

FLOURNOY: But we are where we are.

ええと, I wish I could say that I was optimistic that we could get back

to the deal. But all indications coming out of the negotiations are that

remains a remote possibility. So now, we’re in a situation of having to

figure out with our allies, how do we deal with an Iran that is positioning

itself to raise for a nuclear weapon, and continuing to support terrorism

throughout the region?

そう, Iran is going to be reasserting itself as a bigger problem for U.S.

foreign policy from the coming years.

WALLACE: そう, 基本的, does it come down to, we’re going to have to let

Israel handle the problem for us?

FLOURNOY: 上手, I don’t think we should have Israel, この — all be on

Israel shoulders. I think the United States and our other partners in the

region, along with Israel, need to come up with a new approach if they

negotiate, they’re going to

WALLACE: But do you think it’s reversible, or do you think Iran is now

just on the path

FLOURNOY: ああ, it’s always reversible. The key is getting, how do you

really affect their calculus? And I think this regime has sort of dug in

its heels, 再び, hoping to split us from our allies and get others to

compromise with them. And we’ve just got to keep working the problem. だが

I’m not hopeful in the near term.

WALLACE: Michele Flournoy, Senator Joni Ernst, thank you both so much.

It’s a busy and dangerous world out there.

ERNST: ありがとうございました.

FLOURNOY: ありがとうございました.

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WALLACE: Up next from the Reagan library, we’ll bring in our Sunday group

to discuss the standoff between Joe Biden and Vladimir Putin.

And the potential fallout if the Supreme Court decides the biggest abortion

case in years and overturns Roe v. ウェイド.

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オースティン: He knows President Putin very well. 再び, I think there is a lot

of space here for diplomacy and leadership to work.

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WALLACE: Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin here at the Reagan National

Defense Forum previewing President Biden’s Tuesday call with Vladimir

プーチン. It’s time now for our Sunday group here in Simi Valley. 共和党

strategist Karl Rove and FOX News national security correspondent, ジェニファー

グリフィン.

ようこそ.

JENNIFER GRIFFIN, FOX NEWS NATIONAL SECURITY CORRESPONDENT: ありがとうございました.

WALLACE: ジェニファー, how worried are they at the Pentagon about this massive

buildup of Russian troops on the Ukraine border? Did they really think that

Vladimir Putin might invade Ukraine or did they think he is using the build

up as a bargaining chip?

GRIFFIN: They’re taking it very seriously. I can tell you that I’ve had

conversations with senior leaders at the Pentagon. They’ve had principals

meeting at the White House, in the Situation Room on Friday to discuss how

to respond. They’re taking it extremely seriously.

I’ve been told this a qualitatively different buildup than we saw last

春. There are more troops expected, 約 114,000 there now. We think

there could be up to 175,000 the start of the year.

覚えておいてください, the ground is very soft right now. そう, the tanks can’t go across

into Ukraine, but when that ground hardens, there’s a belief that Vladimir

Putin is very serious this time, very different in terms of the reserve

buildup.

WALLACE: カール, Ukraine is not part of NATO. It doesn’t fall under Article

五, an attack against one is an attack against all. We’re not going to go

to war, a land war in Ukraine with Russia, 私たちは? And assuming we don’t,

what can we do short of a military response to stop Putin from an invasion?

KARL ROVE, FOXニュース寄稿者: 上手, 見て, we have economic tools and

that the administration is already saying it has a vast array of tools that

it can bring to bear on this, including cutting off access to the

international banking system.

Let’s be clear. If Russia invades Ukraine and takes Ukraine, a sovereign

nation, in the center of Europe, this is a grave setback and for the United

States and its interest. It’s also message. This is going toif this

happens and the administration fails to stop it, then what’s going to stop

Putin from taking the Baltics? What kind of the discouragement is that

going to be? What’s a signal to China with regard to Taiwan or North Korea

with regard to South Korea?

If we don’t stop this, there could be great consequences down the line.

WALLACE: 今, when you say don’t stop this, is there enough political

sanctions and economic sanctions to stop it?

ROVE: 上手, the one thing we don’t really know is how good have our NATO

allies and the United States done in shoring up the Ukrainian military so

it can provide a strong response to any attempt to take over the country.

WALLACE: I want to turn over to another big story this week and that was

the Supreme Court hearing, that big Mississippi abortion case. ザ・

conservative majority of justices seem to indicate that there’s a

possibility that they either might severely restrict Roe v. Wade or

overturn it entirely. And the reaction to that was both immediate and

intense.

見てください.

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ジェン・サキ, ホワイトハウス報道官: For nearly half a century, すべて

女性, every American deserves access to health care, 含む

reproductive health care.

REP. スティーブスカリース (R-LA): There are at least a dozen states that have

laws in the books today that if this case in Mississippi is upheld, それらの

states get to defend life immediately in ways that they weren’t prior to

今日.

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WALLACE: カール, because of the fact that abortion is legal now, at least in

the early months of pregnancy, it has been much more of a mobilizing issue

for the pro-life movement than it has been for the pro-choice movement. だが

if that were to change, if Roe is severely restricted or if it is

completely elevated by a Supreme Court ruling, let’s say, comes out in June

or July, what’s a political impact as we head into the midterms?

ROVE: 上手, we don’t really know because what the decision is, if the

decision returns it to the states, which is the most likely outcome,

whether it’s restrictive or undermines Casey and Roe both in toto, それは

going to go back to the states. そう, this is now going to be a battle that’s

fought out by state by state, in the state legislative races.

だが, ええと, there are going to be some victories for the pro-life

力, there are going to be some defeats if it goes to the states given

the nature of the legislatures. But let’s remember this, we don’t really

know how big this is going to be. バージニア州, it became a big issue. テリー

McAuliffe said, if you like Youngkin as governor, this is going to

undermine it. のみ 8 percent of the people in the exit poll said this was

their voting issue and they broke 58-41 for Youngkin.

同様に, we had in Texas, a woman who ran for governor in 2014 作ったのは誰

her entire issue, 中絶, and she lost the governor’s race by 20 ポイント.

そう, we don’t know how it’s going to play out, but there will be some

winners and losers on both sides because it will be at the state level.

WALLACE: ジェニファー, Republicans seem headed for a very good midterm

election night, likely taking back the House, possibly taking back the

上院. If you get a big change in Roe v. ウェイド, does that have a

possibility of flipping that political equation?

GRIFFIN: 上手, そうだと思います. Let’s think about what happened. オン

金曜日, they actually took an initial vote in the Supreme Court. They had

their conference. They probably already know how this is decided. They will

take the next nine months to write the decision and it will come out in

六月. And that is just months before these midterm elections.

It is likely to deepen the divide between red states and blue states. 私

think there is one very important number that I saw, 21 州は持っています

abortion bans on the books. If Roe is overturned or weakened, それらの

abortion bans will affect 65 million women and three of those states are

州, ミシガン, Arizona and Wisconsin, that were decided in single digits

に 2016 で 2020. I think this is the one issue that could motivate the

Democratic base and I think that it actually will be a shot of adrenaline

for the Democratic Party going into midterms.

WALLACE: ええ, let me pick up on that and push back with Karl, but I’m

going to give you a chance to respond, as you will. ええと, 一つ

things we saw with Glenn Youngkin’s victory is that suburban women moved

away from Trump to Biden came back for the Republican Youngkin who seemed

more moderate. But I wonder and I wonder what you think about this, インクルード

possibility that it energizes these swing voters if they lose. A lot of

them are pro-choice, lose that option by Supreme Court ruling?

GRIFFIN: I think you have to look at suburban women. And I think if you

look at the statistics, ABC/”ワシントンポスト” poll does that 60 percent of

the countries pro-choice. I think this is one issue that could really

motivate suburban women and those independent voters you’re going to have

to look at.

WALLACE: カール?

ROVE: 上手, 65 percent of the “AP” polls say that they believe that

abortion should be restricted in second trimester and only 19 percent say

abortion should be allowed most or all abortions in the third trimester.

We’re not a — ええと, we’re not the character of either, pro

infanticide or no abortion at all. We’re somewhere else in between.

And the question is going to be, how is it fought out? But the idea that

someone stands up and says we went to an unrestricted right to abortion

right up to the moment that the child is born is not going to be accepted

by the American people.

WALLACE: 番号, I completely agree with you with that, but that’s not what

we’re talking about here, because what we’re talking about is the

possibility that the Supreme Court might say there is no protection

constitutional protection for women. It’s a state-by-state issue at all.

There’s no constitutional right to an abortion at any point.

ROVE: 正しい. But that leaves it up to the states to determine the medical

procedure. And states will make different determinations. Will this have an

effect on the election? はい. I think it will impact in any individual races

for governor and state legislature far more than it will for the United

States Senate or the U.S. 家.

そしてまた, let’s not kid ourselves. We are not a country that says we want

an unlimited right to abortion. As I say, 19 パーセント, one out of every five

American says, ええ, we ought to have a right to an abortion in the third

trimester. Two out of three Americans says we ought to limit it in the

second trimester and the number goes higher in the first trimester.

WALLACE: ジェニファー?

GRIFFIN: おもう, 政治的に, this is still a shot of adrenaline for the

民主党. I think you’ll start seeing ballot initiatives in states. それ

will take up a lot of airtime in these elections, and I think that there

will be more talk about expanding the court among Democrats.

ROVE: Already is.

WALLACE: I’ve less than a minute, カール. I know it’s dangerous to predict

what the court is going to do base on the questions that justices asked

during hearings. But it did seem that while Justice Roberts, as a chief

正義感, was talking but incremental change. Some of the other justices

were talking about a bigger change, maybe even eliminating Roe v. ウェイド.

どうやって — I know it’s a guess, how sweeping, how big a ruling do you expect

from the court?

ROVE: ああ, 知りません. というのは, おもう — I think there’s likely to be at

least restrictions on the standard in Casey. But remember what the

questions largely were about. The most pointed questions were, where in the

Constitution is their right to abortion? From where in the Constitution

does this drive?

What the court is attempting to do is to being the monitor of abortion laws

in America and leave it up to the people through their elected

representatives at the state level.

WALLACE: That would seem to portend a bigger, more sweeping ruling.

Panel, ありがとうございました. We’ll see back in Washington next week. Thanks for a

great spot here, ハァッ? It doesn’t get better.

次に, a week after South Africa sounds the alarm about a new COVID

変異体, Omicron has spread around the world and here to the U.S. We’ll ask

surgeon general, 博士. Vivek Murthy, about new plans to fight the virus we

come back from the Reagan Presidential Library.

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WALLACE: 来る, a superpower arms race in space among the U.S., ロシア

and China.

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WALLACE: If the Space Force is the new sheriff in town, how do you keep

law and order in that kind of situation?

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WALLACE: I sit down with the vice chair of the Space Force, when we come

right back.

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クリス・ウォーレス, FOXニュースアンカー: Welcome back to the Reagan National Defense

Forum.

そしていま, the latest on another developing story. The highly mutated COVID

変異体, オミクロン, has now been detected in 44 countries and has spread to

16 states here in the U.S. Health officials are racing to learn more about

the new variant, while also dealing with another surge of the Delta virus.

今すぐ参加, 我ら. Surgeon General Vivek Murthy.

医師, it’s been a little bit more than a week since the world first

learned about this Omicron variant, and I want to go over some of the

initial findings so far. The variant is spreading more than twice as fast

as Delta. It’s three times more likely to cause reinfections among people

who’ve had COVID, and it shares a genetic code with the common cold.

そう, compared to a week ago when we first learned the name Omicron, how much

more have we learned about the transmissibility of this disease, インクルード

severity of the disease from Omicron and the potential that it could evade

and beat the vaccines that we now have?

DR. ビベク・マーシー, 我ら. サージオンジェネラル: 上手, クリス, 我々は持っています — we continue

to learn a lot about Omicron. We’ve seen certainly that there has been

spread around the world and in our country. It’s something we expected.

We’ve seen this with other variants.

And we’ve been in close dialogue with our colleagues in South Africa, で

frequent basis, to understand what they are seeing.

クリス, even though they are certainly seeing cases go up and they’ve seen

an increase in hospitalizations, they have cautioned us as we have with

others to not draw immediate conclusions from initial data sets or from

anecdotes that you hear.

そう, to the question of whether the increased of spread is driven by, 君は

知っている, greater transmissibility or whether it’s being driven by a different

sensitivity to vaccine protections and protection from prior infection, インクルード

exact mix there of contributors is not known.

The bottom line is this is what we do know. We do know that the measures

that we take to protect ourselves from the spread of COVID, 含む

wearing masks and indoor spaces, being in well-ventilated spaces, それらの

work and will work against Omicron.

We also know that with vaccines, クリス, that even though we are trying to

figure out the exact level of protection our vaccines will give against

オミクロン, in every case, we have seen the vaccinated are better off,

particularly more protected against hospitalization and death than the

ワクチン未接種. It’s why we are urging people to get vaccinated and boosted.

WALLACE: Just briefly on this, you talk about masks. Are you saying now

that if you’re with people that you don’t know that we should go back

routinely to wearing a mask indoors?

MURTHY: 上手, certainly, what we’ve been seeing actually since the

summertime is that if you are vaccinated or unvaccinated and gathered with

people outside your household in indoor spaces, that wearing a mask is the

recommended step to take to help reduce the potential for spread. それ

protects you, but it also protects the people around you.

WALLACE: ええと, I know that youyou’re a scientist and you want to

play this very carefully, but people are following this awfully closely.

そう, let me just ask you this, 医師, and I hope you can give us some

transparency.

From what you have learned so far as compared to a week ago, are you more

or less worried about Omicron?

MURTHY: 上手, クリス, ええと, I certainly am concerned about the

possibility that this is going to spread, ええと, more easily than other

variants that we’ve seen to date and we’ve got to get more data like I said

to understand the exact extent of that.

But I do think it’s a reason for us to not necessarily panic, but just to

be more vigilant and to recognize that the precautions that we have been

talking about for the last year or so are all the more important now than

これまで, because keep in mind, and it’s not just Omicron, クリス. 私たちです

predominantly dealing with a Delta challenge right now. We’ve got the Delta

variant in this country which is causing an average of close to 100,000

cases a day.

And as winter, ええと, approaches and people go indoors, それが可能だ

that numberthose numbers, ええと, may go up, unless we take the

precautions that are necessary like getting vaccinated and wearing those

マスク. そう, to me, this is a cause

WALLACE: But let me

MURTHY: — for being even more vigilant, but not for panicking.

WALLACE: Let me pick up on that. President Biden announced several new

measures this week to fight COVID, to fight all of the variants.

And I want to put it up on the screen. A tougher testing protocol for

international travel, an extension of masks on public transportation,

insurance coverage for at-home tests.

But a doctor that worked with you on the Biden transition task force, 博士.

Celine Gounder, said this week that she wishes that President Biden had

been even tougher, especially on domestic air travel when it comes to

vaccines and masks.

Your thoughts about that?

MURTHY: 上手, I think international and domestic travel are, 実際には,

different. On the international front, as you mentioned, there’s a number

of measures we have taken like vaccine requirements, requiring testing

before people get on those flights.

From a domestic standpoint, what you have seen is that if people do, に

fact, マスクを着用, well-fitted, good quality masks, they can actually

significantly reduce their risk on domestic flights.

そして, 最終的に, just keep in mind this: we’ve taken a number of measures

domestically to insure that we increase vaccination rates which is

ultimately our key to ending this pandemic. Whether that’s the

requirements, ええと, in workplaces, whether that’s — ええと, インクルード

availability of vaccines that we made which is really quite unprecedented.

And we’ll continue to do that.

And we juston the last week, the president announced, 実際には, that we

are getting pharmacies to offer even more slots. We are sending reminders

to millions of Americans about the importance of getting vaccinated and

ブースト. And we’re setting up hundreds of family clinics, of kids and

adults getting vaccinated at the same time.

そう, these are strong measures we put in place and, ええと, I think we’ve

continually shown a desire to use every lever we have to make sure that

people are protected, they’re vaccinated, and we get to the end of this

pandemic as quickly as we can.

WALLACE: President Biden has been aggressive about vaccine mandates on

government and health workers, on the military, on companies that have more

より 100 従業員. But I don’t have to tell you, the courts have blocked a

number of those.

Here’s what the president said announcing his new set of COVID fighting

measures this week. 見てください.

(ビデオクリップを開始)

ジョー・バイデン, アメリカ合衆国大統領: While my existing federal

vaccination requirements are being reviewed by the courts, this plan does

not expand or add to those mandates.

(ビデオクリップを終了する)

WALLACE: Why did the president feel they need it to say more mandates? Is

he backing off of them? というのは, there were no new mandates when a lot of

people expected there would be.

MURTHY: 番号. 私 — 見て, I think that he feels very strongly that the

measures that he put forward will meaningfully move us forward, ええと?

And the requirements that we have in place, ええと, will continue to do

それ.

But we know that thisthis effort is about more than requirements. それは

also about making sure people have the information they need to get

予防接種を受けた, that they have access to the vaccine. And that’s why you see a

focus on some of those areas and doubling down on those other areas in his

予定. But you have toputting this altogether, クリス, I think that the

measures he announced are going to help us for the winter.

And I just want to make sure people understand this very clearly, 私たちです

not back in March 2020 despite the prospect of a new variant Omicron on the

horizon and despite the fact that we found cases here. We have more tools.

We have more knowledge to protect ourselves. It’s why the holidays this

year I believe will be and already have been very different than the

holidays in 2020.

I’ve been able to take my kids trick-or-treating for Halloween. I got

together with family for Thanksgiving. Millions of Americans did the same.

We can gather safely for the holidays and these measures will help us do

the same.

WALLACE: How do you feel about the fact that the courts are blocking the

マンデート? 何 — what is the potential fallout from that, the vaccine

マンデート?

And along those lines, we now find out that up to 19,000 members of the

Navy and the Marines have not met the November 28th deadline for getting

vaccines and their cases are going to be reviewed on an individual basis.

But we’re talking about the crew that would be needed, 19,000, to staff

four aircraft carriers.

We can’t afford to lose those 19,000 marines and sailors because of this

委任, can we?

MURTHY: 上手, クリス, I’m glad you asked because what we are committed to

doing is working with every federal employee, in military and civilian, に

make sure that they are vaccinated and they have the information that they

need to be vaccinated. そして, 再び, this is not a cliff. ええと, if people

don’t make the deadline, we will work with them to make figure how to get

them there.

But I also wantwe keep this in perspective, which is a vast, vast

過半数, はるかに 90 percent of the federal workforce is vaccinated and

in compliance. And that includes the military, it includes the uniform

service of the United States Public Health Service that I oversee as a

surgeon general.

WALLACE: 博士. Murthy, we’re going to have to leave it there. ありがとうございました.

Thank you for your time. It’s always good to talk with you, お客様.

次に, when we return to the Reagan National Defense Forum, ぼくの

conversation with one of the leaders of the U.S. Space Force on the

security challenges on the new frontier.

(商業休憩)

クリス・ウォーレス, FOXニュースアンカー: Welcome back to the Reagan National Defense

Forum.

そしていま, the latest on another developing story. The highly mutated COVID

変異体, オミクロン, has now been detected in 44 countries and has spread to

16 states here in the U.S. Health officials are racing to learn more about

the new variant, while also dealing with another surge of the Delta virus.

今すぐ参加, 我ら. Surgeon General Vivek Murthy.

医師, it’s been a little bit more than a week since the world first

learned about this Omicron variant, and I want to go over some of the

initial findings so far. The variant is spreading more than twice as fast

as Delta. It’s three times more likely to cause reinfections among people

who’ve had COVID, and it shares a genetic code with the common cold.

そう, compared to a week ago when we first learned the name Omicron, how much

more have we learned about the transmissibility of this disease, インクルード

severity of the disease from Omicron and the potential that it could evade

and beat the vaccines that we now have?

DR. ビベク・マーシー, 我ら. サージオンジェネラル: 上手, クリス, 我々は持っています — we continue

to learn a lot about Omicron. We’ve seen certainly that there has been

spread around the world and in our country. It’s something we expected.

We’ve seen this with other variants.

And we’ve been in close dialogue with our colleagues in South Africa, で

frequent basis, to understand what they are seeing.

クリス, even though they are certainly seeing cases go up and they’ve seen

an increase in hospitalizations, they have cautioned us as we have with

others to not draw immediate conclusions from initial data sets or from

anecdotes that you hear.

そう, to the question of whether the increased of spread is driven by, 君は

知っている, greater transmissibility or whether it’s being driven by a different

sensitivity to vaccine protections and protection from prior infection, インクルード

exact mix there of contributors is not known.

The bottom line is this is what we do know. We do know that the measures

that we take to protect ourselves from the spread of COVID, 含む

wearing masks and indoor spaces, being in well-ventilated spaces, それらの

work and will work against Omicron.

We also know that with vaccines, クリス, that even though we are trying to

figure out the exact level of protection our vaccines will give against

オミクロン, in every case, we have seen the vaccinated are better off,

particularly more protected against hospitalization and death than the

ワクチン未接種. It’s why we are urging people to get vaccinated and boosted.

WALLACE: Just briefly on this, you talk about masks. Are you saying now

that if you’re with people that you don’t know that we should go back

routinely to wearing a mask indoors?

MURTHY: 上手, certainly, what we’ve been seeing actually since the

summertime is that if you are vaccinated or unvaccinated and gathered with

people outside your household in indoor spaces, that wearing a mask is the

recommended step to take to help reduce the potential for spread. それ

protects you, but it also protects the people around you.

WALLACE: ええと, I know that youyou’re a scientist and you want to

play this very carefully, but people are following this awfully closely.

そう, let me just ask you this, 医師, and I hope you can give us some

transparency.

From what you have learned so far as compared to a week ago, are you more

or less worried about Omicron?

MURTHY: 上手, クリス, ええと, I certainly am concerned about the

possibility that this is going to spread, ええと, more easily than other

variants that we’ve seen to date and we’ve got to get more data like I said

to understand the exact extent of that.

But I do think it’s a reason for us to not necessarily panic, but just to

be more vigilant and to recognize that the precautions that we have been

talking about for the last year or so are all the more important now than

これまで, because keep in mind, and it’s not just Omicron, クリス. 私たちです

predominantly dealing with a Delta challenge right now. We’ve got the Delta

variant in this country which is causing an average of close to 100,000

cases a day.

And as winter, ええと, approaches and people go indoors, それが可能だ

that numberthose numbers, ええと, may go up, unless we take the

precautions that are necessary like getting vaccinated and wearing those

マスク. そう, to me, this is a cause

WALLACE: But let me

MURTHY: — for being even more vigilant, but not for panicking.

WALLACE: Let me pick up on that. President Biden announced several new

measures this week to fight COVID, to fight all of the variants.

And I want to put it up on the screen. A tougher testing protocol for

international travel, an extension of masks on public transportation,

insurance coverage for at-home tests.

But a doctor that worked with you on the Biden transition task force, 博士.

Celine Gounder, said this week that she wishes that President Biden had

been even tougher, especially on domestic air travel when it comes to

vaccines and masks.

Your thoughts about that?

MURTHY: 上手, I think international and domestic travel are, 実際には,

different. On the international front, as you mentioned, there’s a number

of measures we have taken like vaccine requirements, requiring testing

before people get on those flights.

From a domestic standpoint, what you have seen is that if people do, に

fact, マスクを着用, well-fitted, good quality masks, they can actually

significantly reduce their risk on domestic flights.

そして, 最終的に, just keep in mind this: we’ve taken a number of measures

domestically to insure that we increase vaccination rates which is

ultimately our key to ending this pandemic. Whether that’s the

requirements, ええと, in workplaces, whether that’s — ええと, インクルード

availability of vaccines that we made which is really quite unprecedented.

And we’ll continue to do that.

And we juston the last week, the president announced, 実際には, that we

are getting pharmacies to offer even more slots. We are sending reminders

to millions of Americans about the importance of getting vaccinated and

ブースト. And we’re setting up hundreds of family clinics, of kids and

adults getting vaccinated at the same time.

そう, these are strong measures we put in place and, ええと, I think we’ve

continually shown a desire to use every lever we have to make sure that

people are protected, they’re vaccinated, and we get to the end of this

pandemic as quickly as we can.

WALLACE: President Biden has been aggressive about vaccine mandates on

government and health workers, on the military, on companies that have more

より 100 従業員. But I don’t have to tell you, the courts have blocked a

number of those.

Here’s what the president said announcing his new set of COVID fighting

measures this week. 見てください.

(ビデオクリップを開始)

ジョー・バイデン, アメリカ合衆国大統領: While my existing federal

vaccination requirements are being reviewed by the courts, this plan does

not expand or add to those mandates.

(ビデオクリップを終了する)

WALLACE: Why did the president feel they need it to say more mandates? Is

he backing off of them? というのは, there were no new mandates when a lot of

people expected there would be.

MURTHY: 番号. 私 — 見て, I think that he feels very strongly that the

measures that he put forward will meaningfully move us forward, ええと?

And the requirements that we have in place, ええと, will continue to do

それ.

But we know that thisthis effort is about more than requirements. それは

also about making sure people have the information they need to get

予防接種を受けた, that they have access to the vaccine. And that’s why you see a

focus on some of those areas and doubling down on those other areas in his

予定. But you have toputting this altogether, クリス, I think that the

measures he announced are going to help us for the winter.

And I just want to make sure people understand this very clearly, 私たちです

not back in March 2020 despite the prospect of a new variant Omicron on the

horizon and despite the fact that we found cases here. We have more tools.

We have more knowledge to protect ourselves. It’s why the holidays this

year I believe will be and already have been very different than the

holidays in 2020.

I’ve been able to take my kids trick-or-treating for Halloween. I got

together with family for Thanksgiving. Millions of Americans did the same.

We can gather safely for the holidays and these measures will help us do

the same.

WALLACE: How do you feel about the fact that the courts are blocking the

マンデート? 何 — what is the potential fallout from that, the vaccine

マンデート?

And along those lines, we now find out that up to 19,000 members of the

Navy and the Marines have not met the November 28th deadline for getting

vaccines and their cases are going to be reviewed on an individual basis.

But we’re talking about the crew that would be needed, 19,000, to staff

four aircraft carriers.

We can’t afford to lose those 19,000 marines and sailors because of this

委任, can we?

MURTHY: 上手, クリス, I’m glad you asked because what we are committed to

doing is working with every federal employee, in military and civilian, に

make sure that they are vaccinated and they have the information that they

need to be vaccinated. そして, 再び, this is not a cliff. ええと, if people

don’t make the deadline, we will work with them to make figure how to get

them there.

But I also wantwe keep this in perspective, which is a vast, vast

過半数, はるかに 90 percent of the federal workforce is vaccinated and

in compliance. And that includes the military, it includes the uniform

service of the United States Public Health Service that I oversee as a

surgeon general.

WALLACE: 博士. Murthy, we’re going to have to leave it there. ありがとうございました.

Thank you for your time. It’s always good to talk with you, お客様.

次に, when we return to the Reagan National Defense Forum, ぼくの

conversation with one of the leaders of the U.S. Space force on the

security challenges on the new frontier.

(商業休憩)

WALLACE: This week the Biden administration laid out its approach to space

policy with a focus on national security given provocative actions by

countries like China and Russia. Earlier, I discussed those threats with

General David Thompson, the vice chief of operations for the U.S. Space

Force.

General Thompson, ようこそ.

GENERAL DAVID THOMPSON, VICE CHIEF OF SPACE OPERATIONS, UNITED STATES SPACE

FORCE: Good morning. Great to be here.

WALLACE: Your boss, General Raymond compares space to the wild west. ただ

how wild is the situation in space?

THOMPSON: 上手, first of all let me say that it’s an incredibly growing and

dynamic domain, そして — and some of that contributes to what you’ll call the

wildness ofof space. In the past two years alone, the number of active

satellites in space has doubled. It’s gone to nearly 5,000 things. 今, A

lot of energy is in thein the commercial investment and innovation we

see, but there aren’t really an agreed to international set of standards

and norms of behavior that are expected in space.

WALLACE: はい, I want to pick up on that. If the Space Force is the new

sheriff in town, how do you keep law and order in that kind of situation,

and what constitutes an act of war in space?

THOMPSON: そう, the answerlet me start there, the answer of what

constitutes an act of war in space is not really clearI’ll say clearly

defined or understood and perhaps there’s been less thinking in that — そして

then in other areas and other domains.

What we are not, でも, is we are not the sheriff in town, we are a

military force, but we firmly advocate for regulation and conduct and

standards of norms behavior that everybody should follow and that we should

follow as well.

WALLACE: And does anyonethe other nations, especially China, 特に

ロシア, do they listen to us in that area?

THOMPSON: There are conversations ongoing. They put forward proposals as

上手. So do we. But things have not proceeded veryvery far in the

recent past. We’ve tried to facilitate it. It’s really under the leadership

of the Department of State. だが, 近々, the secretary of Defense

outlined what I’ll call five tenets of responsible behavior that we apply

to that everybody else should.

Conduct your space operations in a safe manner. Don’t generate long lived

debris. Don’t create harmful and unfair interference. Communicate your

intentions. And operate safely in the vicinity of others. Those are the

kinds of tenetstenets and expertise that we shouldor expectations

that we should all adhere to, but they aren’t commonly accepted or adhered

to yet in space.

WALLACE: China is putting up satellites at twice the rate that the U.S. です

今.

THOMPSON: 正しい

WALLACE: And at that pace, by the end of the decade, they will replace the

我ら. as the preeminent power in space.

When you look at, ええと, the hypersonic missiles, when you look at

satellites with robotic arms, just how much of a threat is China to the

我ら. and to the rules of the road in space?

THOMPSON: そう, China is a tremendous threat, あなたが指摘したように. 今, 私はしません

think it’s a forgone conclusion that they will be the leader in space by

the end of the decade, but they’re on an incredible pace. We are still the

best in the world in space. Our capabilities are the best in the world in

スペース, but they’re moving aggressively, they’re moving quickly, and we need

to adapt our approach. We need to adapt what we do and how we do it in

order to keep pace and outpace them. But they are a threat. They can

threaten us kinetically, like you said. 彼ら — the Russians on the 15th of

November conducted a destructive anti-satellite test. The China conducted a

similar test in 2007. They have robots in space that conduct attacks. 彼ら

can conduct jamming attacks and laser dazzling attacks. They have a full

suite of cyber capabilities. Absolutely an incredible threat that we have

to address now and in the future.

WALLACE: Talking first of all about China. If they continue putting

satellites up at — で — at the speed they are, they have aa satellite

with a robotic arm. Could they eventually get to a point where they could

take out U.S. sensors and thereby have a first strike offensive capability?

THOMPSON: そう, I would say that’s a potential. That’s one of the reasons the

Space Force was created, to understand that threat, to design tactics and

techniques, to design counters to that threat, to design a system that

provides for intelligence collection and awareness and understanding. そう

that just as we do in other domains, we know their capabilities, 私たちは知っています

their tactics, we know their systems, and we create counters. And its our

job in the Space Force to ensure, should they propose to attack us with

something like a space robot or other things, we have counter measures, 我々

have tactics and we have means to employ to prevent that attack from being

成功.

WALLACE: その間, you talked about Russia. 彼ら, in the last few weeks,

launched a missile that took out one of their own defunct satellites and

作成した 1,500 pieces of debris in a very crowded neighborhood.

THOMPSON: 彼らがやった.

WALLACE: How threatening is that?

THOMPSON: It was incredibly dangerous and irresponsible act. 実際には, 彼ら

conducted in an altitude over the North Pole that means for years to come

that debris will be present, and it will eventually filter down and re-

enter the atmosphere.

But as it does, it has the potential to threaten every single satellite at

altitudes below that, including the International Space Station, そして,

interesting enough, the Russian cosmonauts on the International Space

駅.

そう, その意味で, it’s a dangerous behavior that threatens our use of the

domain.

What we also need to do, しかしながら, is design new space systems that

recognize that’s a possible threat and make it less productive and valuable

to try to conduct that sort of attacking (ph).

WALLACE: 上手, let me ask you about one aspect of that, because one of the

things that we’re doing is putting more, lower cost satellites up. And is

the idea that you create this, 一種の, swarm of satellites and you put too

many targets in thein space for them to shoot?

THOMPSON: Exactly right. ザ・, ええと, the term we use is resilience, そして

we make is such that it’s too hard, too expensive and too unlikely that

they’ll succeed in creating athe effect they want because, それよりも

the past, when we’ve had a small number of very sophisticated, very capable

satellites, we now intend to field more and more and more lower cost, lower

capable that provide, in aggregate, the same capability. したがって、, あります

not as much value in attempting to attacking them in space.

WALLACE: Some of the most innovative work being done in space now is by

private companies.

THOMPSON: 絶対に.

WALLACE: Like SpaceX, like Virgin Orbit. What kind of a partnership does

the Space Force either have or hope to develop with these private

企業?

THOMPSON: We both have partnerships and we’re going to develop more.

The first is, as these new commercial services come online, if they’re of

value to the Space Force, if they’re of value to our joint force, we’re

going to use them directly for our benefit.

The second is that innovation and creativity we see in their technology and

the way they operate, if we can leverage and apply them to military

missions, we’ll do that as well. And then the third piece is, we’re

actually partnering with them and sharing information on mission

requirements, mission design, cost and threats and we’re asking them to

develop their own solutions to our problems as we do as well to create a

new relationship that says, here’s a problem, here’s a potential solution,

employ the power and innovation of your ideas alongside ours to come up

with the best source of space capabilities for the nation.

WALLACE: 最後に, when President Trump directed the Pentagon to start the

Space Force back in 2018, it became thethe butt of some pop culture

ジョーク. I want you to take a look at some of that.

(ビデオクリップを開始)

STEPHEN COLBERT, ホスト, “THE LATE SHOW” (8月 10, 2018): 今晩, あります

big news about Space Force.

ジェン・サキ, ホワイトハウス報道官 (2月 2, 2021): ワオ, Space

Force. It’s the plane of today.

(ビデオクリップを終了する)

WALLACE: そう, how do you react to that and how seriously is the Space Force

being taken by our adversaries now?

THOMPSON: そう, I think as people more fully understand exactly who we are,

what we are, how we contribute to the security of the nation, おもう

absolutely they’re taking us more seriously. We certainly see energy and

desire out of the young people of the nation to join and participate.

I would say that humor is a fundamental avenue of the human society and

always has been a part of American culture. If we can’t take a joke, if we

can’t accept some of the humor like that, then we’re probably not prepared

to face the greater challenges we need, and we’re absolutely up to those

課題.

WALLACE: And I gather from what you say that China and Russia are not

laughing.

General Thompson, thank you so much for talking with us.

THOMPSON: If I may, 氏. ウォレス, ありがとう. Let me say that speaking for

myself, speaking for General Raymond, and I know I’m speaking for the

13,000 guardians, it remains an honor and a privilege to serve the nation

and its people.

WALLACE: ありがとうございました, お客様.

次に, 私たちの “Power Play of the Week,” the man behind the mission to

preserve and promote the legacy of our 40th president.

(商業休憩)

WALLACE: It’s been our honor and pleasure to once again come here to the

Reagan Library. It’s now the largest and most visited of all the

presidential libraries. The over the last decade, there’s one man who’s

been most responsible for maintaining its preeminence, and he’s our “力

Player of the Week.

(ビデオテープを始める)

JOHN HEUBUSCH, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF RONALD REAGAN PRESIDENTIAL

FOUNDATION

AND INSTITUTE: There’s a whole lot of people that just admire Ronald

Reagan. And they come here. It’s somewhat of a mecca. It’s Reagan country.

WALLACE (voice over): Executive Director John Heubusch on the lasting

relevance of the Reagan Library.

HEUBUSCH: We’re about promoting what Ronald Reagan stood for. And that was

less taxes, less government, less regulation, more freedom, strong defense.

RONALD REAGAN, 元米国. 大統領: Government is not the solution to our

問題. Government is the problem.

WALLACE: に 2009, Nancy Reagan chose Heubusch to lead her husband’s

財団.

HEUBUSCH: Every time my phone rang, my heart would jump into my throat a

bit because I knew I wasshe was going to ask for me to do, そうでないかもしれない

the impossible, but some big things.

WALLACE (カメラで): How dramatically have you revamped the library over

the last 12 年?

HEUBUSCH: These presidential libraries, in my mind, です – はい, they’re a

bit like sharks, ええと. If you’re not moving forward and constantly in

the hunt for new and interesting things to do, you’re not going places.

WALLACE (voice over): The library is the final resting place for both

Reagans, but Heubusch has found inventive ways to keep the president alive.

REAGAN: So you wouldn’t mind if I told you just one more story, would you?

WALLACE (カメラで): How do visitors to the library react to the sonogram

(ph)?

HEUBUSCH: ああ, they just love it. They really do. From kids from six to 96

and to hear and see as best as you can President Reagan almost right there

in the flesh.

WALLACE (voice over): But there were unforeseen challenges, like massive

wildfires in 2019.

WALLACE (カメラで): can you get out?

WALLACE (voice over): In an interview then, his concern was clear.

HEUBUSCH: I stood on a hill with a couple ofwith a dozen firemen who

literally stopped flames about 100 yards from President and Mrs. Reagan’s

gravesite.

WALLACE (カメラで): How close did you come to losing the library?

HEUBUSCH: ええと, クリス, we came within an inch. The Reagan Library was

surrounded by a wall of flames. They saved the Reagan Library, there’s no

doubt about it.

WALLACE (voice over): Heubusch has kept finding ways to advance the Reagan

legacy, like an institute in Washington that pushes conservative

principles.

CHRIS CHRISTIE (R), FORMER NEW JERSEY GOVERNOR: As Republicans, we need to

free ourselves from the quicksand of endless grievances.

HEUBUSCH: ありがとうございました. お願いします, be seated.

WALLACE (カメラで): You have started a speaker series, a time for

choosing. What is the debate inside the Republican Party today?

HEUBUSCH: I think he would be far more willing to compromise then we find

今日. People seem to be at each other’s throats and I think that would

really concern President Reagan.

ありがとうございました. God bless you. And God bless America.

WALLACE (voice over): Heubusch is stepping down at the end of this year but

feels he’s accomplished his central mission.

HEUBUSCH: 聴く, Ronald Reagan did not need my help to be one of the best

presidents in the history of the nation, but maybe he and Mrs. Reagan

needed a little help to ensure that the admiration for the president would

never cease. So I think we’ve held the flame high and made the name is

Ronald Reagan as relevant today as it was many years ago.

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WALLACE: Heubusch promised Nancy Reagan he would give her at least five

years here at the library. But in year four, he was diagnosed with terminal

癌. He beat the disease and kept building the library these past 12

年.

And that’s it for today. Have a great week and we’ll see you back in

Washington next FOX NEWS SUNDAY.

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